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How has Rolfing training deepened your understanding of the body and movement? I am not sure if I would call it deepened. In the Rolfing training, all movement exercises and embodiment practices exist beyond a defined movement discipline and are designed to reflect the daily use of the body in standing and walking. This creates room to engage more openly with particular principles in my Tai Chi Ch'uan and in teaching. Nicola Carofiglio’s starts his classes with embodiment exercises. To make us aware of the area we will work with and also to arrive in the space were we are and will work together. This care, in a sense, effortlessly flows into the Tai Chi Ch'uan classroom. In the pushing hands exercises, also known as listening hands, students often focus heavily on their hands and restrain them. Its in a way misleading to call it pushing hands. These days, I hear myself say, "We listen with our hands and see with our ears," and I stand behind them and say,” Here, it's you, as well." With a big smile, you see them straighten up, looking around, whereas before, they had done this more rigidly and dutifully, following the instruction, "Stay upright." My words aren’t literally from Rolfing, but. I do feel Nicola is with me in the room at such a moment.